http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44438

HINT!


Guys... Please...

THE stack is IceFaces (who have a MyEclipse Plugin already), Facelets (does anyone NOT use facelets?), JSF (pretty well supported), SEAM, EJB3.... and maybe a bit of Spring...

BalanceOfPower, I agree with you, but... what do you really think are the priorities for us, Seam afficionados ?

For me, JPA/ejb3 is really top, Top, TOP priority. I have been waiting for some sort of ME ejb3 support for close to 2 years now:
- 1 because the specs themselves got late
- 1 because I was actually expecting ME support to be delivered in parallel with technology previews and beta implementations being developped by JBoss, Sun, Oracle and al. Of course I realize now that such expectations were not realistic, but no need to say that a poll like "would you (maybe) like ejb3 support ?" got me wondering. I could not believe it ! So: first things first.

To me, Seam is to JSR 299 what the old Hibernate is to JPA, and the same thing may be happening again: The preliminary draft of JSR 299 is due this month. We may expect preliminary implementations to follow shortly (dreaming again ?).

So ME guys: if this is true, it is THE THING. PLEASE, PLEASE, don't miss it this time ! It may be time to get ready NOW in order to have full JSR 299 support by Q1 2008 when it is scheduled to be final: stop everything else ! In the meantime, I would hate to see lots of time spent on support and maintenance of obsolete frameworks like Seam :), only to have to wait for JSR 299 support if it ever materializes (same as Hibernate/JPA). In any case, we should know shortly.

Currently, I making do more or less with JBoss jBPM and Hibernate (ejb3/Seam gen) plugins on top of ME: URRGHHH! I managed to cajole the whole thing into working together reasonably well, but it's UGLY! It may be temporarily OK for me, because I have the privilege of being a one man team, but I would not call that a solution in any case so...

OK, maybe you are right, if you don't ask you don't get! Then what? Do you think we should go in brat mode if we do not see anything coming ?

Thank you for taking the initiative in any case !

+1

And thank you ME guys for the outstanding support. If ME was not that good, I would not ask for more !


Jean-Michel

Cross post from SEAM forum

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I use myeclipse + exadel + jboss ide but that introdices a lot of version compatibility problems. Who is using what IDEs to work with Seam? Would appreciate any input especially the Seam team itself :)

I am using MyEclispe.
The project is set up correctly in MyEclipse so the IDE helps me LOADS.
Exploded deployment... no Code-Build-Deploy-Test... its just Code-Test and no Ant scripts to maintain (yet) and these days I never have to re-start the server that often so get conversion id's in the 100's during Code-Test iterations!


Now this is pretty adventurous but.... Wish List...

MyEclipse supporting the following:

Set up Seam project (Wizard to ask EJB3 or Hibernate, Icefaces Y/N, Facelets/JSP, Secuiryt (Drools Jars required) etc. SeamGen on steroids?)
:D Creates the Ear, Jar and War
:D Auto-populates the application.xml
:D Supports the various existing gui's (jBPM etc.) (( JSF navigation rules already are GUI supported :) ))
:D Has an "icefaces viewer" that allows drag/drop of icefaces components from a SHOWCASE into a Seam page (populates draft xhtml and populates the backing bean with the automagical code that you needs as well - the magical "binding" stuff).
:D Wizards to create a new "page + action" like the struts one and you name the new page, action file (or you an existing one to add the action's code into), and Entity name and it creates the Entity for you (even Entity (hibernate) validation!).
:D Some sort of help with setting up pages.xml... this is getting quite "interesting" these days as so much is possible from Security through exceptions to factories!... maybe just VERBOSE context sensitive help! e.g. Whats a factory anyhow and why do I need it??

Somehow I can't see them doing it; they might just jump to support the JSR though.


Will cross post to Icefaces and MyEclipse... you never know...

Important...

http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44506

Guys,

What an awesome bunch of ideas. Good news! JPA / EJB3 support will have it's premier debut in MyEclipse 5.5M2 in a couple of weeks! Preview here: http://jroller.com/page/myeclipseblog?entry=myeclipse_ejb3_support

Also, in that release, a new visual JSF page designer! And, IceFaces, huh? Interesting. What a great idea! Stay tuned. ;-)

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http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=44506

No worries. Our upcoming capabilities will outstript this easily, real soon now. MyEclipse 5.5GA will rock. :-)

JBoss have released some open sourse plugins and one of them supports Seam.
Completion Support in the editor etc.
Please can you look at including this?
JBoss Tools project (will not be released on the Eclipse plugins site for some, probably political, reason)

The jBPM plugin would be useful too...

Folks, EJB3 is nice, but without the JBoss Seam framework to go with it I'm essentially wasting my time. The completeness of the JBoss seam and related tools is such that coding a substantial webapp in other ways just isn't worth it. The Spring IDE is nice, and still not well supported btw, and at the rate you're going Seam support will be another 2 years coming. You may sense some frustration but please understand my perspective - While MyEclipse provides a useful suite of tools, they don't bear fruit for web developers unless wrapped into a complete framework. All that work you do for me, and which I do thank you, is essentially unused. Unused. I simply won't tackle another significant web application until the top-level framewords are a top priority. So until then I'll just tinker around with the toys.