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MyEclipse: M7 is out !

ivar - Feb 13, 2004 - 06:49 PM
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New & Noteworthy: for M7 ..
http://download.eclipse.org/downloads/drops/S-3.0M7-200402122000/eclipse-news-M7.html

So.. I'm about to try myeclipse on it.

support-rkalla - Feb 13, 2004 - 09:20 PM
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Thanks for the update, let us know if it works. I know some people were having trouble with integration builds a couple weeks back. But I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

ivar - Feb 13, 2004 - 11:03 PM
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support-rkalla wrote:

Thanks for the update, let us know if it works. I know some people were having trouble with integration builds a couple weeks back. But I'll keep my fingers crossed for you!

I don't think the plugin API has any breaking changes (they should have been done by M6) but I had no success as MyEclipse 3.7rc2 has some sort of version detection that only allows installation on M6.

Any chance of letting us know how myeclipse detects the eclipse milestone/ version so keeners can experiment themselves ?

support-rkalla - Feb 14, 2004 - 12:30 AM
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I believe its the .eclipseproduct file in the root of the eclipse install dir. Try copying the one from M6 over to the M7 dir and try again.

Keep in mind this isn't officially supported ;)

ivar - Feb 14, 2004 - 02:14 AM
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support-rkalla wrote:

I believe its the .eclipseproduct file in the root of the eclipse install dir. Try copying the one from M6 over to the M7 dir and try again.

Surprisingly, the .eclipseproduct file is identical between releases.. I did a cursory scan through each ot the folders under 'eclipse' for any obvious version strings before I posted. no luck.

support-rkalla wrote:

Keep in mind this isn't officially supported ;)

I know, I know.. fortunately there aren't any super compelling new features in M7 (except maybe autorefresh...) so working with M6 is acceptable.

support-scott - Feb 14, 2004 - 03:08 AM
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We're much sneaker than useing the .eclipseproduct file, because that doesn't change for the milestone builds. We'll be doing the port to M7 so that 3.7 GA will ship on M7 in a couple of weeks. If you absolutely must test on M7, simply install it in parallel to your M6 build and copy the 'links' folder from your M6 install into your M7 installation. That's the thing that points Eclipse to MyEclipse's location. Be forwarned taht this is NOT AN APPROVED CONFIGURATION and we won't be answering any support questions about it.

That said, if you've got to try it out, please let us know if it blows up. :-)

jamesots - Feb 15, 2004 - 12:41 AM
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I tried that. In the log file I get these entries (amongst others, but these look most relevant to me). Nothing to do with myeclipse shows up in eclipse.

Code:

!ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 4 Feb 15, 2004 00:17:15.770
!MESSAGE Unable to restore editor - no editor descriptor for id: de.bb.bje.eclipse.editors.JspMultiPageEditor
!ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 4 Feb 15, 2004 00:17:17.712
!MESSAGE Unable to find Action Set: com.genuitec.myeclipse.actions.deploytools
!ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 4 Feb 15, 2004 00:17:17.712
!MESSAGE Unable to find Action Set: com.genuitec.myeclipse.actions
!ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 4 Feb 15, 2004 00:17:17.713
!MESSAGE Unable to find Action Set: com.genuitec.myeclipse.actions.webtools
!ENTRY org.eclipse.ui 4 4 Feb 15, 2004 00:17:17.965
!MESSAGE Unable to restore editor - no editor descriptor for id: de.bb.bje.eclipse.editors.JspMultiPageEditor

jamesots - Feb 15, 2004 - 12:42 AM
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Of course, you won't be answering any support questions, so I don't know why I just posted that! Except I suppose it might be helpful to you in your development perhaps?

killineybryan@yahoo.co.uk - Feb 25, 2004 - 10:34 PM
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Please start supporting m7 as quick as possible, cvs is broken in all the previous versions of eclipse due to changes in the cvs protocol resulting from an api change in what was supposed to be a security fix.

Thanks
Bryan

PS: On another subject, if eclipse doesn't start supporting the language features of java 1.5 soon will your company steal the march on them by producing your own java 1.5 plugin ?

support-rkalla - Feb 26, 2004 - 12:44 AM
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killiney,
I don't think we'll be offering any Java 1.5 support only because the Eclipse 1.5 support is forthcomming and in testing. If we were to provide a plugin, it would be useful for probably all of a month or 2, then we'd just have to remove it to avoid conflicting with the Eclipse 3.x-focused tools.

Although I would never rule anything out, what drives us is consumer demand, if the demand is there, we'll even add animated help agents like Clippy to MyEclipse ;)

killineybryan@yahoo.co.uk - Feb 26, 2004 - 01:19 AM
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There's no need to go that far !!! :roll: keep an eye on supporting
m7 though :-)

support-rkalla - Feb 26, 2004 - 01:23 AM
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Definately, we won't leave our users high and dry.

Also incase you hadn't heard, starting with the 3.7 GA release (~2 weeks), the 3.x series downloads will be freely available for trial download just like the 2.x series is. You won't have to be a subscriber to download and try them out.

Ansorg - Mar 03, 2004 - 10:05 AM
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Yea it's unsupportet, but ...

perhaps some bidy as an idea how to get JSP support back in ME3.7RC2 on Ecplipse-3M7?

I get

Code:

Exception during execution: de.bb.jsp.JspCC - java.lang.ClassNotFoundException

perhaps a simple change in the plugins.xml to let eclipse find the bb_jsp.jar?

support-rkalla - Mar 03, 2004 - 02:28 PM
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Ansorg, the others that got it working simply installed it in Eclipse M6, then copied the Links folder over into their M7 directory and it worked.

Ansorg - Mar 03, 2004 - 06:27 PM
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support-rkalla wrote:

Ansorg, the others that got it working simply installed it in Eclipse M6, then copied the Links folder over into their M7 directory and it worked.

that's what I did. And everyting seems fine until I open a JSP file. Then I get this error :(

rasears - Mar 11, 2004 - 01:22 AM
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I have the same problem...seems simple to fix, but I am not having any luck.

support-scott - Mar 11, 2004 - 02:17 AM
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All,

M7 introduced a few bugs and incompatiblities that we have to work around. It's taking some development effort to fix and retest.

myoungstrom - Mar 11, 2004 - 05:54 PM
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I don't know about anyone else but I think it's getting to the point where I would be more willing to wait for 3.7 if it would mean we could get support for M8 in it as soon as M8 is released. Based on past Eclipse release patterns it would seem that M8 will be out around the end of the month. I think I'd rather wait a few more weeks for 3.7 + M8 rather than get 3.7 + M7 now and not get M8 support.

So, unless ME is committed to have support for M7 now and M8 soon after it's release I would rather wait for M8 to get 3.7? Looking at ME release patterns it looks like if we get a 3.7+M7 in a couple of days then based on ME trends we probably won't get an M8 release of ME. Can you comment on this thought process at all Scott? What do other people think? Would anyone else rather wait for 3.7 + M8 soon after M8 is out or would people rather get 3.7+M7 now and have to wait for M9 (or whatever they'll call it) for the next ME release?

Mike

nabil - Mar 11, 2004 - 06:09 PM
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if the wait means more polishing and maybe sneak a feature or two in, I'd rather wait :)

myoungstrom - Mar 11, 2004 - 07:38 PM
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A few new features and polishing would be nice. :) But that may complicate the situation more than Scott and ME would like. So let's assume no new features except what features M8 might be giving us already. What would Scott's and everyone's thoughts be on that situation?

Mike

support-scott - Mar 12, 2004 - 01:59 AM
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Mike & All,

We're working very hard to get everything working and tested on M7, but since it is both a large upgrade in MyEclipse functionality (3.7 GA has over 90 fixes/enhancements over 3.7RC2), it's proving to be a bear. We'll get it out though. Re M8, we should be able to support it much faster than M7 since MyEclipse will only include a few fixes over 3.7 GA (hopefully :-). We know the 3.0 builds are important, but we also want to be sure everything is all buttoned up before we ship it to thousands of users. The pain is just too great for support if it isn't. ;-)

nabil - Mar 12, 2004 - 03:43 AM
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thanx :D .... I can wait for whatever time it takes ;) ....

myoungstrom - Mar 12, 2004 - 06:12 AM
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I can wait too. :) However, I would like my waiting to be as effective of waiting as possible. Meaning what I don't want to have happen is to have waited this long after and finally get a 3.7 + M7 release only to have M8 come out 1 week later. So, I guess what's I'm saying is I'd rather wait 1 or 2 extra weeks for an M8 compatible release rather than get an M7 compatible release soon and then possibly not get a timely M8 release.

Now If I understand your comments correctly Scott, you're saying that we'll get an M7 release soon and an M8 release relatively soon after M8 comes out? That would be fine with me if that's the plan. But if the plan is to get M7 support and then skip M8 support or get an M8 release a month or so after M8 has been out then I'd rather skip the M7 release in favor of an M8 compatible release soon after M8's release. I understand how much work it must be to create 3.0 builds so I'd like the 3.0 compatible releases that we do get to be as bleeding edge as possible rather than obsolete a week after release.

Mike

support-scott - Mar 12, 2004 - 01:05 PM
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Now If I understand your comments correctly Scott, you're saying that we'll get an M7 release soon and an M8 release relatively soon after M8 comes out?
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That's the plan.

support-rkalla - Mar 12, 2004 - 03:17 PM
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Guys,
The ME team *really* appreciates you being so patient with the releases. We realize that its only so many times you can hear "... lots of breakage in this M build" before you go nuts and storm our offices. I just wanted to drop a line letting you know that internally, the ME team absolutely without a doubt places customers and their needs as our #1 driving force. We add the features you ask for, get rid of the bugs that make you crazy and internally beat the hell out of ME before it ships to make sure we aren't going to screw up the productivity of our users if a really annoying bug sneaks in.

With that said, 3.x support is definately on our plate because you guys want it, and that's not a problem; but then we implicitly tack on the 'beat the hell out of it internally' part to make sure that we aren't releasing really stable 2.x builds, and half-assed 3.x builds that generally piss people off.

When Eclipse 3.0 goes final, I think for M8 and after things will smooth out quite a bit because we won't be chasing API changes or breakages. Although the rule of thumb is 'expect the worst', but chances are things will speed up soon.

myoungstrom - Mar 12, 2004 - 04:45 PM
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Thanks for the info. Riyad, I hope it didn't sound like I was complaining or being impatient or anything. I think you guys do a great job and I definitely don’t take for granted the fact that the ME team does 3.0 releases nor the amount of work that must go into them. I was just trying to get an idea as to what the plan was for support of M8 once it came out and was trying to take some heat off of the ME team by throwing out the idea to skip an M7 release in favor of an M8 release because I would prefer to have an M8 release rather than an M7 release if I had to make a choice. However, thanks to Scott’s info I know that a choice is not needed so I’m cool.

Thanks,
Mike

snpe - Mar 12, 2004 - 05:58 PM
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M8 release have many changes and I think that ME need M7 release
ME for M8 can't be quick, but M8 is feature freeze and ME can add your features after M8, only
favorite features in M8 (I like this in ME too, for xml and jsp editor) is code folding in java editor

regards
Haris Peco

support-scott - Mar 15, 2004 - 12:01 PM
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Well, since I know many are interested I thought I'd give an update on 3.7GA for M7. We worked all weekend on QA, but found a packaging problem late on Sunday. Basically, when the PDE exports plugins, it creates temporary directories into which to compile the plugin's java code. We ran into a problem where some of the product jars were simply missing a class or two when the export didn't report any errors at all. Nothing. All good, just missing classes. After much frustrating digging we found that if Eclipse generates a path name that is longer than what is supported by the platform (215 chars on Windows, 256 on Linux) that the export would silently fail and simply ignore the class while reporting the build was successful. Naturally, something as wacky as this took awhile to run down, but we finally did. Anyway, the 3.7 GA build needs one more cursory round of QA, just to ensure that the packaging problem was addressed. If that's all OK, we'll release it late tonight (CST, your 'late tonight' may vary).

Sorry for the delay and thanks to all for your continued patience and understanding that if it isn't 'right', we're not shipping it.

ivar - Mar 15, 2004 - 02:05 PM
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scott wrote:

Anyway, the 3.7 GA build needs one more cursory round of QA, just to ensure that the packaging problem was addressed. If that's all OK, we'll release it late tonight (CST, your 'late tonight' may vary).

great news !

is there a list of changes compared to RC2 (or should I just wait for the download..) ?

support-rkalla - Mar 15, 2004 - 03:06 PM
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ivar,
For now the changelog for 3.7 GA will be almost identical to 2.7 GA (if not identical), you can oogle it here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-33.html

antcasq - Mar 15, 2004 - 04:24 PM
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Take all the time needed to test it well.
Everybody wants the best software quality possible.

We are all programmers here, so don't stress :D
I think everyone can wait a little longer if necessary.

Keep up the good work guys.

nabil - Mar 15, 2004 - 06:17 PM
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antcasq wrote:

ditto ;)

nabil - Mar 16, 2004 - 03:06 AM
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scott wrote:

*me hoping no problem poped up .... *

support-scott - Mar 16, 2004 - 03:53 AM
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Nothing showed up. It's going out very soon now. Subscribe to the newsletter to be one of the first to know. :-)

And be sure you have a clean install of M7 ready to go!

--Scott

nabil - Mar 16, 2004 - 04:04 AM
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nice! .... good job

susbcribed to newsletter ... M7 installed ... fingures crossed :D

edit:

I just gave my final goodbyes for my old pal M6 :( ... closed it for the last time :(

nabil - Mar 16, 2004 - 02:29 PM
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THANK YOU MyEclipse team :)

3.7 GA installed. :) ... thanx.

support-scott - Mar 17, 2004 - 01:59 AM
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No problem. Enjoy.