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rajakri - May 02, 2005 - 07:17 AM
Post subject: Version 4 Release

Hi Guys,
When is the release 4 going to be out..I read from your website end of APRIL but we are already in 1 week of MAY .I am excited and i cannot wait any longer. :)

Raja Krishnan
Sydney

support-rkalla - May 02, 2005 - 10:27 PM
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Raja,
The release date is being pushed out to extend testing, we are not taking any risks with a buggy release. Sorry for the wait, we appreciate your excitement, we just need to work hard to make it well worth it.

papick.taboada - May 03, 2005 - 02:59 PM
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Hi!

Do you have any idea on how long this "extended testing" could take? It's just I have to decide what tool to use on the Jax conference next week.

It's ok if it takes a month or two - just let us know...

brgds,

Papick

support-rkalla - May 03, 2005 - 04:08 PM
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Papick,
I have sent an update to management to see if I can get any information for you ASAP, thank you for the interest in our 4.0 release.

rajakri - May 04, 2005 - 11:23 AM
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Hi Guys,
It is good to work with stable release software .Can anyone find out how long is the delay for 4 release (4 weeks or 6 weeks ?) since we have to plan for migration as now we have around 16 licences.
Raja Krishnan
Sydney

dipak_parikh - May 04, 2005 - 02:25 PM
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Hi,
Any updates from management on release date for 4.0?

This is really frustrating now.!!!!!, atleast let everybody know the date.

support-scott - May 04, 2005 - 02:36 PM
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Dipak,

We're not trying to frustrate you, is simply that we don't have a firm date on when we'll get the first milestone out. However, I can tell you we're spinning full internal builds and they're coming together pretty well. It's definately "days", not "weeks". Management is killing to get one out the door, but we also must be sure that it's "milestone worthy". So, we're figuring out just what's good enough for external use, as we don't want to waste your time, and are pulling a few portions of the feature sets that will be ready for milestone 2, but just aren't quite "there yet" for milestone 1. But, it's days and we're doing the best we can to solidify everything right now. It won't be today, and it won't be tomorrow, but any date after that increases the likelihood. I'll try to update every couple of days and let you now how it's going. Sorry for the anxiety, but you should feel it from this side if you think it's bad out there. ;-)

vlenin - May 04, 2005 - 03:12 PM
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We all know you're doing the best you can Scott. I think the frustration comes from not knowing when 4 is going to be released, not the fact that it's a little late, (at least I know mine does). I'm really anxious to see and get working with the new version, especially the JSF features. Updating every few days is a good idea. We are all developers and know what life is like when management wants what it wants yesterday. You have my sympathy.

emcien - May 04, 2005 - 03:36 PM
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Agreed with vLenin.

Being late isn't a big deal, just knowing when matters. We have a saying in our shop, "If you have to deliver bad news, deliver it early and often".

I too would much rather have a stable release than an early release.

Keep up the good work.

dipak_parikh - May 04, 2005 - 03:51 PM
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Scott,
Thanks for your prompt response. I think last 2 posts have said, what I was trying to. Frustration is not because of delay, but because we don't know any updates. I really appreciate if you can update every couple of days.

-Dipak

papick.taboada - May 04, 2005 - 04:02 PM
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Could you update the roadmap or give us some hints to which features will be privided in the first milestone? Just would like to know if JSF and UML will be part of it... :-)

Thanks for your support,

brgds,

P.G.Taboada

support-rkalla - May 04, 2005 - 04:12 PM
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P.G.

JSF and UML will be in M1, I just confirmed this with the QA team: "We are testing it as we speak".

support-scott - May 04, 2005 - 04:20 PM
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Wow, what a fast response! OK, I hear ya. I'll do my best to post some "dailies" here, so you all can get the scoop on what we're up to.

In M1, you'll have a lot, but not complete functionality (it's an M, afterall) for JSF, UML, and additional Struts stuff. The big thing we're working on that you won't see in M1 is the visual JSP designer. Development on that is going really well, but we're looking for a "wow" when you see it so we're going to harden and enhance it a bit for a preview in M2. At present, it looks like Spring and Tapestry support will also hit M2 rather than M1, although Tapestry has an outside chance for M1, depending on when the cut is made. Also, we've been concentrating on new development so we haven't done a standard "bug fix" pass from 3.8.4 yet either so there really aren't many "fixes" in this release, just new "features". As we finish the features we'll do a "fixes" pass before we call 4.0 done, so don't fret if there are some bugs you want to see addressed; we just haven't done that yet.

Oh, and one note about the UML tools. Sun has fixed some bugs in the JDK that affect how well our UML tools work, so you'll need to run Eclipse with JDK 1.4.2_05 or higher to fix those problems. 1.4.2_08 is the latest build so if you're looking for something to do so you'll be ready when the milestone hits, update your JDK. ;-)

And, the installs will be manual installs only, since we really only want experienced MyEclipse users trying out the milestone builds, and will be for 3.0.x only since we sure don't have time to port dev buils to Eclipse milestones right now.

mike_miller - May 04, 2005 - 04:29 PM
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Can this be marked sticky?

support-rkalla - May 04, 2005 - 04:56 PM
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Sticky

support-rkalla - May 04, 2005 - 04:59 PM
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I'd also like to append to Scott's list new Hibernate enhancements that include, but are not limited to, a visual mapping editor and other sweet drag-and-drop functionality. And no Hibernate 3 support just yet, let us get 4.0 out the door :)

support-scott - May 04, 2005 - 05:13 PM
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Also, while we will have several new hibernate enhancements for M1, the visual mapper for hibernate will be in M2, not M1.

snpe - May 05, 2005 - 02:39 AM
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Scott,
Is jdk 5.0 good for UML tools ?

Thanks

mike_miller - May 05, 2005 - 10:00 AM
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When 4.0M1 goes out, it would be nice to have a roadmap for the other Milestone releases, maybe not release dates but things of interest like 3.1 support, DB browser changes etc... We here might not upgrade if say the Hibernate support hasn't changed etc...

I think this is all a wind up and 4.0 has been ready for ages, you just like to build the excitment up in the ME community ;-).

rajakri - May 05, 2005 - 10:05 AM
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Hi Guys,
Who are working hard..Keep up the good work and update this forum as you are doing now..I can wait for 3-5 weeks to get 4 M2 since i am more interested to work with SPRING , JSP Designer e.t.c..

vbfischer - May 05, 2005 - 01:52 PM
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support-rkalla wrote:

Sticky

ewwww!

ttrostel - May 05, 2005 - 02:00 PM
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Is there a generalized release schedule for the milestones? Certainly we all appriciate taking your time getting things right. Sometimes we wish more companies took such a responsible position.

support-scott - May 05, 2005 - 04:10 PM
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Wow, lots of comments/questions. Let me see what I can do to hit them all.

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Is jdk 5.0 good for UML tools ?

I have to say I don't know. It's all Java and built on 1.4.2 and we have seen bugs fixed in the 1.4.2 releases that resolved problems we were having in development. So, there may be differences on 1.5, but they shouldn't be anything large. Our intent is that yes, it will work on 1.5 but we honestly haven't had time to test it yet. Perhaps some of our fabulous QA Board guys could do that since the milestone will hit them about a day before public release.

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Well, it might not be an official "roadmap" on the website, but I'll do my best to let you know what to expect as soon as I know. As far as upgrading goes, please remember that thes are *development milestones*. Please don't replace your production environments with them. While we've made every effort not to break anything that was working, these milestones certainly will not have any regression testing done on them, so please treat them cautiously.

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I think this is all a wind up and 4.0 has been ready for ages, you just like to build the excitment up in the ME community ;-).

Shuuush! Yeah, you know how it goes in most companies. Developers get everything built, QA'd, documented, and ready for production and then the sales and marketing guys come in and say, "No, you guys did that way too fast. We're going to hold it for awhile to build up some excitement in the community as we slowly leak out the new stuff. Take some time off in the interim." ;-)

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Who are working hard..Keep up the good work and update this forum as you are doing now..I can wait for 3-5 weeks to get 4 M2 since i am more interested to work with SPRING , JSP Designer e.t.c..

Thanks. That's why I'm trying to let everyone know what will hit each milestone. So you can see if you're motivated to help us test it and provide feedback. Don't feel compelled to jump in until we add something compelling. ;-)

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Sticky

ewwww!

My sentiments exactly. I wish the portal developers had chosen another adjective, perhaps "pinned" might have been good.

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Is there a generalized release schedule for the milestones? Certainly we all appriciate taking your time getting things right. Sometimes we wish more companies took such a responsible position.

I guess it will be at least a couple of weeks between each one of them, to give us time to get feedback, respond, and implement new features. We'll continue to milestone until we're feature complete and our community tells us that "Hey, that last milestone, that *was* the production release". Then we'll stamp it final and open it to the world as the latest version.

snpe - May 05, 2005 - 06:22 PM
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I will do it

loweryr - May 05, 2005 - 07:08 PM
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I'll be testing 1.5 as well... :)

support-scott - May 07, 2005 - 01:33 AM
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Well, I promised to update so here's what I've got.

We've been working extended hours opening PR's and then fixing them at an alarming rate and the milestone code is really starting to solidify. We anticipate we'll be "pencils down" sometime over the weekend and will then push a build out to our external QA board members as soon as possible, but it could likely be late Monday or Tuesday. And, due to the delay in getting the build out, the Tapestry / Spindle integration will be included for all you Tapestry / Spindle fans.

In testing the UML tools we've noticed we have some version dependencies. On Win32, you must be running Eclipse 3.0.2 and at least JDK 1.4.2_05. On Linux, you must be running Eclipse 3.0.2 and JDK 1.5 (it won't work properly on 1.4.2 on Linux due to some enhancements made by Sun). So, if you're interested in testing the UML features and you're base platforms need updating, you have something to keep you busy. ;-)

Thanks for hanging in there - we're getting very close.

snpe - May 07, 2005 - 01:39 AM
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Scott,
Do you plane 3.1 version ?

Thanks

support-scott - May 07, 2005 - 01:42 AM
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Do you plane 3.1 version ?

Yes, but not for the first milestone because the porting time just isn't in the schedule. We'll look at it again as we do more milestones and Eclipse does as well. As soon as we fork for 3.1, everything just gets slower and we can't afford that right now.

sapre - May 07, 2005 - 04:12 AM
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It might be a good idea to post test cases along with M1. We (users) can give a helping hand(s) to test it with JDK1.5.

papick.taboada - May 08, 2005 - 01:14 AM
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Hi,

well, I am playing with Hibernate & Annotations, so 3.1 would be really nice...

brgds,

Papick

zeroshot - May 09, 2005 - 03:45 PM
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the UML for release 4 will that be supported on the OS X version ?

support-scott - May 09, 2005 - 04:19 PM
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the UML for release 4 will that be supported on the OS X version ?

In the first milestone, no it won't because we're depending on some AWT/SWT integration for our implementation and there are Eclipse bugs (mainly https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=67384) that prevent this integration from working on the Mac. However, the bug is quite active and getting lots of feedback that the community wants it closed, but right now it remains unresolved.

michaelsica - May 09, 2005 - 06:06 PM
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I really hope that bug is fixed. I plan on moving over to OSX at the end of this year, and I planned on using the UML tool!

support-scott - May 09, 2005 - 09:37 PM
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I know the feeling. I like OSX a lot too. Unfortunately, from the comments in that bug thread it looks like it will take a combined effort from both Apple and the SWT team to really resolve it completely.

michaelsica - May 10, 2005 - 12:51 AM
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Is there a similiar reason for the JSP Visual Designer not working on OSX?

http://myeclipseide.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6737&highlight= (I'm still waiting for a response to the last question in that thread.)

support-scott - May 10, 2005 - 01:05 AM
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Is there a similiar reason for the JSP Visual Designer not working on OSX?

Actually no, it's a different reason. In order to get the designer built as quickly as possible with a very high degree of functionality we chose to use some of the native capabilities available on the Windows platform. That allows us to "get our feet wet" with techniques involved in building graphical WYSIWYG editors for complex languages and deliver in a reasonable timeframe. There was simply no cross-platform base we could've built on (yes, we looked at Mozilla) that gave us as great a head start. Please don't read that to imply we won't be doing a crossplatform version, only that we didn't for the first release. As always, user demand sets our priorities.

support-scott - May 10, 2005 - 01:07 AM
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I wanted to follow up and let you know that internal test has concluded on all the feature sets that will be in 4.0M1, except for UML. There are still a couple of nagging bugs there we need to close out, but we anticipate having those done by some time tomorrow. At that point we should be able to push a build to our external QA board and then follow up with a public 4.0M1 preview at the end of the week, provided no "show stoppers" are found. I'll post another update when we begin to push the build for the QA Board as that will be a significant gate to clear.

nabil - May 10, 2005 - 03:02 AM
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gimme gimme gimme

kkr - May 10, 2005 - 07:24 AM
Post subject: OSX should be fully supported

support-scott wrote:

Please don't read that to imply we won't be doing a crossplatform version, only that we didn't for the first release. As always, user demand sets our priorities.

In this case I would like to express my demand for full OSX support. At least in the final released version.

innovate - May 10, 2005 - 08:39 AM
Post subject: MacOS X AWT/SWT

Hello,

Do you use AWT for drawing on the screen? Otherwise, you can run AWT headless on MacOS X on Tiger (10.4), if this is an option.

Regards,

Cyrill

support-scott - May 10, 2005 - 02:42 PM
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In this case I would like to express my demand for full OSX support. At least in the final released version.

Demand duly noted, but I can promise that OSX support for the JSP designer will not make it into 4.0 final due to the work involved. I almost hate to mention it, but last I checked Virtual PC for the Mac is only about $100 and for those of you that already have it to run other things, using the Windows version of 4.0 on Virtual PC *should* work fine, although I must admit we have not tested that configuration.

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Do you use AWT for drawing on the screen? Otherwise, you can run AWT headless on MacOS X on Tiger (10.4), if this is an option.

Cyrill, thanks for mentioning the headless option. We use that for some things like our Struts / JSF visual designer so those work on the Mac. However, the UML tools use a combination of SWT/AWT to draw on the screen, so until the Eclipse bug I mentioned earlier is fixed, UML won't be able to work on the Mac in its current implementation.

arjan.tijms - May 10, 2005 - 02:56 PM
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I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but how exactly does the MyEclipse UML effort relates to the UML project at Eclipse.org? (http://www.eclipse.org/uml2/). Does it compete with it, builds on it, or something else entirely?

support-scott - May 10, 2005 - 02:59 PM
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Does it compete with it, builds on it, or something else entirely?

Right now, it's option C - something else entirely. We're watching the UML2 project as well as the new GMT project that Borland has proposed to lead so at some point it might be possible to use one or more Eclipse projects to get reasonable UML modeling capabilities. However, that time isn't today. :-) We'll keep an eye on the developments at the foundation (we have a VP that is on the Eclipse Foundation board of directors) so we can be sure you'll always get the very best product available from MyEclipse.

support-scott - May 10, 2005 - 05:06 PM
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OK, one more update. We just got an email that the internal build process for what will become the external QA board build of ME4.0M1 has just started. It will take several hours, but it's definately cleared development and internal QA at this point.

Lars_G - May 10, 2005 - 10:10 PM
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Will the bugs/troubles with OS X also plagate Linux? I've been expecting 4.0 like mad and if some of the features will not be in 4.0 for linux I think I'll go aside and shoot myself.

support-rkalla - May 10, 2005 - 10:20 PM
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I think I'll go aside and shoot myself.

lol, that's a pretty steep ultamatim...

"ANNOUNCEMENT: Genuitec pushes MyEclipse 4.0 release out 3 months so users don't shoot themselves."

support-scott - May 10, 2005 - 11:36 PM
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Will the bugs/troubles with OS X also plagate Linux?

Yes and no. UML will work fine on Linux, but only with the 1.5 JDK / Eclipse 3.0.2 combination I mentioned earlier in the thread. Visual JSP designer (which won't be in M1, but will be in M2) will be Windows-only for 4.0. And again, the reason for that is that just building such a thing is basically a *hard* problem. Doing it cross platform just makes it 10x harder, so we're gaining experience building it for Windows and then we can prioritize something for the other platforms based on demand in later releases.

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I've been expecting 4.0 like mad and if some of the features will not be in 4.0 for linux I think I'll go aside and shoot myself.

Now hold on; our visual HTML designer in 3.8.4 is Windows-only as well, so we really haven't reduced the Linux feature set any further below the windows-only one, because the JSP designer is really a big enhancement to the existing html designer. So, I think shooting yourself is completely uncalled for. ;-)

ganesh - May 11, 2005 - 01:43 AM
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... then we can prioritize something for the other platforms based on demand in later releases.

How is priority decided? Is it by number of downloads per platform?

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Doing it cross platform just makes it 10x harder

I thought Java solved that problem.

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Visual JSP designer (which won't be in M1, but will be in M2) will be Windows-only for 4.0.

Does it mean it won't work on Linux in final release too?

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UML will work fine on Linux, but only with the 1.5 JDK / Eclipse 3.0.2 combination...

That's better news.

michaelsica - May 11, 2005 - 01:54 AM
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ganesh wrote:

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UML will work fine on Linux, but only with the 1.5 JDK / Eclipse 3.0.2 combination...

That's better news.

Have you guys checked to see if the "just released" 1.5 JDK for OSX solves the problem?

support-scott - May 11, 2005 - 05:50 AM
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Have you guys checked to see if the "just released" 1.5 JDK for OSX solves the problem?

Actually, no we haven't, but it appears the SWT/AWT problems on the Mac are deeply thread/implementation related based on the comments in the Eclipse bug report I mentioned earlier in the thread.

support-scott - May 11, 2005 - 05:52 AM
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How is priority decided? Is it by number of downloads per platform?

Partially, and by feedback from our customers in the Features forum or by large customers in email etc.

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Doing it cross platform just makes it 10x harder

I thought Java solved that problem.

Only if you want to build the entire thing from first principles rather than leveraging the huge set of available APIs that are platform-specific. We chose the latter because the former makes it 10x harder.

loweryr - May 11, 2005 - 06:29 AM
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1 Vote for Visual JSP/JSF Designer on Linux!
I understand it's a matter of "do it first on Windows, then figure out the others" but I want to do all I can to push the designer on Linux... it's one of the reasons MyEclipseIDE won out over NetBeans, but you've got some serious competition in this area from Exadel... I just like your "community interaction" better than theirs... :) that and supporting 1.5 & Eclipse 3.1M6 which is also a factor...

kkr - May 11, 2005 - 06:37 AM
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support-scott wrote:

I almost hate to mention it, but last I checked Virtual PC for the Mac is only about $100 and for those of you that already have it to run other things, using the Windows version of 4.0 on Virtual PC *should* work fine, although I must admit we have not tested that configuration.

Running an emulation language like java inside an emulated OS won't be fun. I have virtualPC only for small things up and running. For bigger stuff I have to switch the screen to the second PC running bad old windows. Any hopes for a 4.1 fully supporting OSX? I always believed java solved the platform trouble, but since SWT was introduced I think someone made a very bad design "enhancement" (just a bit OT, sorry).

support-scott - May 11, 2005 - 08:01 AM
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1 Vote for Visual JSP/JSF Designer on Linux!

We hear you! However, I'm not actually the guy that "makes the call". Once the 4.0 milestone is public, you might start a thread in the Feature Requests forum to rally support for the idea. The management here reads that forum much more than any other.

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Running an emulation language like java inside an emulated OS won't be fun.

Yeah, that's why I said I was afraid to suggest it. :-}

support-scott - May 11, 2005 - 08:02 AM
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Here's the latest update for the interested: the 4.0 M1 build just hit the server for the QA Board. It's not available publicly yet, but hopefully will be within a day or two, provided they don't break it badly. :-)

jafo - May 11, 2005 - 09:22 AM
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I'm an OSX user as well. Would love to be able to run Eclipse on that platform without the GUI workarounds.

/jaf

arjan.tijms - May 11, 2005 - 09:54 AM
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My main development platform is Linux, so 1 vote for the JSF designer in Linux. I also use Mac OS X, so one extra vote there too. ;)

(or was it the case that only the visual JSP designer is restricted to Windows and not the JSF one?)

brettconnor - May 11, 2005 - 02:13 PM
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I'm working on a number of projects committed to using Java5, and thus eclipse 3.1 (M6 currently). Can you give an estimate when there'll be a MyEclipse 4 cut for Eclipse 3.1?
Thanks

support-scott - May 11, 2005 - 03:50 PM
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(or was it the case that only the visual JSP designer is restricted to Windows and not the JSF one?)

The visual JSP designer will allow the visual editing of JSP's and is aware of struts and JSF tags and will be windows only. However, the JSF tooling also includes a flow designer, like the one we have for struts already (but better), and will be avaialable on all platforms.

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Can you give an estimate when there'll be a MyEclipse 4 cut for Eclipse 3.1?

We've already got a 3.8.4 build for M6 and intend to refresh it for M7 a couple days after M7's release. Currently, we haven't put a timeline on 4.0 support for 3.1, other than it will definately be supported in the final build. We haven't planned a 4.0M1 for 3.1 but will likely do at least one milestone on a 3.1 milestone before 4.0 final, which will be available on 3.0 and 3.1.

star.be - May 11, 2005 - 03:59 PM
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brettconnor wrote:

I'm working on a number of projects committed to using Java5, and thus eclipse 3.1 (M6 currently). Can you give an estimate when there'll be a MyEclipse 4 cut for Eclipse 3.1?
Thanks

Well I'm using Java 5 too. It would be great to have the MyEclipse Road Map updated to reflect when 4.0 will be available, when it will be GA, when it will be available on Java 5/Eclipse 3.1, when it will include new features such as EJB 3 support and so on.

Don't want to urge you developing faster. Any developer knows how it is. Just would love to have a clearer view of what and when. Just to plan our migration process.

jeremiah - May 11, 2005 - 09:21 PM
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support-scott wrote:

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How is priority decided? Is it by number of downloads per platform?

Partially, and by feedback from our customers in the Features forum or by large customers in email etc.

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Doing it cross platform just makes it 10x harder

I thought Java solved that problem.

What do you define as a large customer? One more vote for VIS-JSP on linux BTW.

support-scott - May 11, 2005 - 10:32 PM
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What do you define as a large customer?

Like anyone else I suppose. A large customer is one that purchases a substantial amount of our products. For us specifically, that would be a customer that has a hundred subscriptions or more.

ttrostel - May 12, 2005 - 02:16 PM
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And here you thought anyone over 6 feet tall could be considered a large customer ... oh well.

So ... did the QA people break it yet? (morbid curiosity sets in)

support-scott - May 12, 2005 - 02:19 PM
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We've found one problem that has already been fixed and will require a rebuild before the public distro, but nothing that will delay it substantially. So far, looks like public release on Friday.

ttrostel - May 12, 2005 - 02:30 PM
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Awesome!

I'll tell all our tall developers to keep harassing you guys till the release is official. I submitted a question over on the other forum regarding Hibernate mapping. Maybe you could ask about it for the upcomming M1 release.

Thanks again Scott

support-scott - May 13, 2005 - 03:51 AM
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It's not linked up to the website yet, but you can see an advance copy of the "New & Noteworthy" for 4.0M1 here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-66.html

ganesh - May 13, 2005 - 04:05 AM
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support-scott wrote:

It's not linked up to the website yet, but you can see an advance copy of the "New & Noteworthy" for 4.0M1 here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-66.html

How about link to download? :roll:

support-scott - May 13, 2005 - 04:11 AM
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It's coming. We just have to respin the build sometime tomorrow and get it out. It'll probably hit the servers over the weekend and I'll post here when it does.

madeinoz - May 13, 2005 - 05:48 AM
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support-scott wrote:

It's not linked up to the website yet, but you can see an advance copy of the "New & Noteworthy" for 4.0M1 here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-66.html

looking good guys...

ummm I didn't see anything regarding spring integration is it still slated for the M1 release?

dehaejo - May 13, 2005 - 06:54 AM
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Not to nag at all, but any eta on M2.

We're really looking forward to the visual Hibernate mappings here ;)

support-scott - May 13, 2005 - 02:33 PM
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ummm I didn't see anything regarding spring integration is it still slated for the M1 release?

Still doing it, but it will be in M2.

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Not to nag at all, but any eta on M2.

A few weeks after M1 goes public.

dsklyut - May 13, 2005 - 02:50 PM
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Any idea on Hibernare 3.0 support?

Dmitry

support-scott - May 13, 2005 - 02:57 PM
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Any idea on Hibernare 3.0 support?

Not really other than we'll be doing it, but I don't have a timeline.

snpe - May 13, 2005 - 03:59 PM
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It is easy - only rename package to org.hibernate - you don't use custiom types or interceptors (probably) and it will work.
I upgrade withou problems

regards

jeremiah - May 13, 2005 - 04:21 PM
Post subject: Looks like time well spent

support-scott wrote:

It's not linked up to the website yet, but you can see an advance copy of the "New & Noteworthy" for 4.0M1 here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-66.html

After look at the new and note worthy page, I really don't see why it has taken this long to get m1 out.. </sarcasm> Wow! the UML stuff looks great. That looks like it must have been a huge pain in the butt for some now insane programmer. Can't wait to try it out..

support-rkalla - May 13, 2005 - 05:53 PM
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That looks like it must have been a huge pain in the butt for some now insane programmer.

We built a cave in the office and they live in there now... they refuse to go home and we just feed them pizza once a day through a slot in the door. Works out pretty well actually.

ttrostel - May 13, 2005 - 06:43 PM
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Whew ... its after lunch ... I've just sat through a presentation for Oracle JDeveloper and I'm ready to tell everyone they are crazy if they don't look at MyEclipse version 4.0 ..

Are we there yet?

Are we there yet?

(sorry ... had to be done)

michaelsica - May 13, 2005 - 07:43 PM
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As I was looking at this:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-66.html

I noticed it looks very simliar to ArgoUML. Are you guys using that source to produce your UML tool?

support-scott - May 14, 2005 - 06:31 AM
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Well, we should get it out over the weekend sometime. We found an incompatiblitiy with UML and JDK 1.5 caused by an Eclipse bug that we had to workaround. It's in test now and we'll respin the build with fixes over the weekend.

ttrostel - May 16, 2005 - 12:58 AM
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Bahh

You did the cardinal sin and told us when you thought we could get the software. Scourge scourge on you (grin)

If its not there monday morning Guido will be there to help with the release.

support-scott - May 16, 2005 - 03:28 AM
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Thanks for asking! What a perfect segue!
The release has just been posted to the server and the announcement is available here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=7198&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

michaelsica - May 16, 2005 - 03:46 AM
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Can I install this on same computer I have I previous version of MyEclipse running on? I want to try out this milestone, but I don't want to destroy my existing installation.

support-scott - May 16, 2005 - 04:33 AM
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Yes you can, and that's exactly what we recommend. You'll simply have two Eclipse instances and two MyEclipse instances, each of which points to a unique Eclipse instance. That will allow you to keep everything separated so you can try out the new features without interfering with your production environment.

Just do not try to install *two* MyEclipse versions on the *same* Eclipse instance. Use two of each and you'll be fine.

michaelsica - May 16, 2005 - 05:21 AM
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Thanks, I got it running.

My 10 minute review is:

Congrats on integrating ArgoUML into Eclipse, but I really wish you guys had written the UML piece yourself (Not just for the OSX support). Do you have plans to more extensively re-write the UI for the UML tool? I've always thought Argo was rather clumsly and difficult to use. (I'm not an UML-expert.)

You guys should check out how Visio works. The UML tool in Visio is really easy to use. I was able to get up and running with it in a few minutes. I've used Argo (and now you're implementation) and I have a hard time with it.

Oh, and the CSS editor bug is still present.

The new icons are nice though. :)

Good luck guys, I know this is only the first milestone. Keep at it!

michaelsica - May 16, 2005 - 06:02 AM
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Has the MyEclipse staff taken a look at the UML tool in the Rational RAD product? I just finished installing a trial of it, and It's SUPER simple and easy. It doesn't even have that many features, just the basic "create package", "create class", "extends", "implements", etc... And it does the round-trip Java/Model thing.

I know your product is $30/year and Rational is thousands. But it doesn't look like the feature set of their UML tool is out of your reach. Just keep it simple!

If my vote counts for anything, remove Argo from your product and build, from scratch, a very simple UML/Java round-trip tool. (The UML tool needs to support OSX too. For that reason alone my department at work won't even consider MyEclipse.)

loweryr - May 16, 2005 - 07:07 AM
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Linux install of 4.0M1 Completed, and it appears to be running rather nicely... I'm pulling a few of my projects from our repository to run it through some paces... Good job... now if only the VisualJSP Editor worked...;-) I know you guys'll get to it when you can... :)

jafo - May 16, 2005 - 07:34 AM
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michaelsica wrote:

(The UML tool needs to support OSX too. For that reason alone my department at work won't even consider MyEclipse.)

I'm surprised any shop is using OSX as their base development platform.

/matt

alexandrupopescu - May 16, 2005 - 07:52 AM
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Hi

I am a pretty new customer of MyEclipse (since 3.8.4 for M4). The nicest suprise was the support for 3.1M6. But now, after waiting for the 4.0 series I see a very interesting announcement: supported only in 3.0.2 :-(. I am not sure why you have chosen exactly this version. As you probably already know 3.1M7 marks the API freeze, so I think your investment in supporting the latest version of 3.1 series is not anymore to blame.
I am wondering when is supposed to be able to get a 4.0 release working with the latest version of Eclipse.

cheers,
:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

ps: i am not angry, just sad that i cannot play with it. Even if it is no use for me (using jdk1.5), i have downloaded the 3.0.2 just to see 4.0 at work. I really hope i will be able to use 4.0 in my dev very very very (should i continue? :-)) soon.

robvarga - May 16, 2005 - 11:05 AM
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Hi Alexandr,

they have probably chosen 3.0.2 because it was available when they started implementing/integrating these features.

Although everyone would much better like if these features could be created instantenously, unfortunately it is not so.

3.1M7 is out since only a couple of days ago. The implementation of these features, I guess, has been taking several months, I guess.

3.1M7 (nor even M6, which is the first release of Eclipse having full Java5 which is stable enough, therefore the first release which really matters from the 3.1 line) was nowhere in sight when they started implementing the 4.0 line.

Porting is always easier than trying to follow a moving target API with development from scratch.

Now that 3.1M7 is out, they could probably start allocating people who should convert the M1 features to 3.1 API, but I don't think it was feasible or worth spending resources on it earlier.

However since M2 is also in progress, and being integrated, I guess they will first try to get all features out for 3.0.2, and bother with porting everything afterwards. This way they will deliver something fully usable much earlier, instead of making everyone wait much longer until a longer development phase has taken place, and then deliver something working only on Eclipse 3.1, which not everyone will be able to transition to.

Only my 2 cents, of course, but I think this is a pretty good guess on their reasoning.

Regards,

Robert

support-scott - May 16, 2005 - 01:49 PM
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Re: Various views of our use of ArgoUML as a base:

Please don't rejudice your reaction to your UML tools with any prior expericne with ArgoUML. We've put a lot of work into cleaning up the interface, fixing problems, and integrating the features into Eclipse. More of all of that will be in M2, and so will round-trip Java code generation. So, all we ask is that you give us the benefit of the doubt and actually try to use *our* implementation. Personally, I've used almost all the UML tools on the market at one time or another and I found knocking out drawings with our tools to be easier than all of them. Once we add round-trip Java generation and a few more things we've got planned I think we'll be on par with any UML implementation. But, of course, I'm a bit biased. :-) Give it a try and if you find things you specifically like or don't like, please let us know.

Re: Why we didn't start from scratch and build the entire UML feature set ourselves

Are you kidding? Have you really thought about how much work that would be? It would literally cost millions of dollars and take several man-years to cmplete. We had neither. So, we looked around and found the best base to start from that we could, then we put a ton of work into it to bring it closer to production quality. We'll continue that path. Someday, in the future, ww may be able to swap the entire implementation out with a custom version of the Eclipse UML2 project + the Eclipse GMT project + our own stuff. But, that solution is not feasible right now. When it is, and if it's better, you'll have it in MyEclipse as part of a standard upgrade. :-)

Re: Why no 3.1
Rob's guess (above) is precisely correct. We should have 3.1 support for milestone 2.

ttrostel - May 16, 2005 - 02:02 PM
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Guido says he is dissapointed. He was looking forward to seeing the cave where the programmers were being held until they put the program out.

In all seriousness congratulations ... and thank you for your hard work.

Tom T

support-scott - May 16, 2005 - 02:03 PM
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In all seriousness congratulations ... and thank you for your hard work.

For the team, thank you very much!

And now that CVS is "unfrozen", on we push to M2!

ttrostel - May 16, 2005 - 02:37 PM
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Were the new Hibernate features (ie specifying which data type to use when mapping) part of M2? BTW the manual installation went without a problem.

Thanks in advance

michaelsica - May 16, 2005 - 03:29 PM
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support-scott wrote:

Hi Scott,

Thanks for the reply.

I'll be using your implementation until at least Decemeber of this year, so you guys have some time to win me over. :)

As for building the UML tool your self, you could have started with just the basics. I'd honestly be shocked if it took a couple of crack SWT/Java programmers more than a year to produce a solid tool. - And you'd have a much more polished product. The AWT/Swing code from Argo sticks out like a sore thumb.

Anyway - congrats on hitting your first milestone. If I can offer any more advise it would be to try out that Rational UML tool and don't let the existing UI of Argo stop you from improving your product.

Thanks,
-michael.

support-scott - May 16, 2005 - 04:08 PM
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Michael,

Thanks for the feedback.

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If I can offer any more advise it would be to try out that Rational UML tool

Just the thought terrifies me as I was bitten by Rational Rose as a child so now I fear all instances of it. ;-)

Quote:

and don't let the existing UI of Argo stop you from improving your product.

We already have plans to redo more of the UI from Argo in the next milestone. It'll get increasingly hard to tell it's Argo in there as time moves forward. It is a work-in-progress at the moment.

alexandrupopescu - May 16, 2005 - 04:12 PM
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robvarga wrote:

Hi Alexandr,
Although everyone would much better like if these features could be created instantenously, unfortunately it is not so.

Hi Rob and thanks for your thoughts.
If I were in the shampoo market (no idea why i've chosen this one :-D) I would believe what you are saying above. But, I am in the software dev market (for quite a while). I am not saying that 3.0.2 was a no-reason choice, but I am almost sure that many of the MyEclipse customers are heading to JDK1.5. I also know and understand what development following a moving API means. I am not criticizing, nor judging. I am just eagarly waiting for this release. Not because of the new features - I am quite happy with the 3.8.4 for the moment and unfortunately havent got the time to pass through the list, but because 3.1M7 is more stable and has significant performance improvements.

respectfully,
:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

ps: i have spent a few hours (over 10 ;-)) trying to make 3.8.4 work on a 3.1M7 but the things were getting out of control. Maybe you will understand me better now.

support-scott - May 16, 2005 - 04:14 PM
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i have spent a few hours (over 10 ;-)) trying to make 3.8.4 work on a 3.1M7 but the things were getting out of control. Maybe you will understand me better now.

Ouch, please don't do that. We're prepping an M7 build of 3.8.4 that should go out late tonight. Also, the next milestone of 4.0, milestone 2, will be shipped on both 3.0.2 and on the latest 3.1 milestone when available.

mike_miller - May 16, 2005 - 04:24 PM
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Crikes, isn't that a breach of the DMCA?

werpu - May 17, 2005 - 09:05 AM
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Awesome stuff, since I have moved to 3.1 already (thanks to you guys :-) ) I will give it a testrun later. But so far it looks very nice.

gsmith53 - May 17, 2005 - 07:52 PM
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Seems to be significant memory problems with the UML stuff. If I output a simple class diagram to graphic files, the memory seems to get corrupted. Sometimes the drawing space gets completely out of whack. The only way to fix it is to shut down Eclipse and restart it. You can tell when this happens when the white grid goes away and is replaced by just the steel gray dialog background color with the diagram on top. After that forget it.

gsmith53 - May 17, 2005 - 07:53 PM
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Also the svg output format doesn't do anything but create an empty file.

support-rkalla - May 17, 2005 - 08:31 PM
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gsmith,
I couldn't reproduce either of these problems. Please note that for the M1 build due to some very specific bugs in Eclipse and the JDK we require:
JDK 1.4.2_08 and Eclipse 3.0.2 to run the most stable. And yes, I actually mean the 8th update release of 1.4.2 (I actually think anything newer than _05 works, but let's play it safe). I believe there are known bugs with 1.5.0 series as well.

werpu - May 18, 2005 - 12:47 PM
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I have a number of bugs encountered with the UML tool

a) First of all the setters and getters are not generated in the code

b) Sometimes object deletion hangs in the class diagram, mainly I encountered it several times
with the relation lines in the object graph

Besides that why does everybody hate ArgoUML. It is a nice tool, and the base for several commercial Products out there.

werpu - May 18, 2005 - 12:48 PM
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Ah yes.. and I had the case that upon deletion once the entire diagram was deleted...
the whole thing is nice, but rather unstable currently.

support-scott - May 18, 2005 - 02:26 PM
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werpu,

Can you provide us with step by step test cases that always reproduce what you're experiencing? With that, I'll be able to log a few bug reports and get the issue addressed. The hard thing is that I need a reproducible test case to do that. If you can provide them, in their own threads in this forum, I'll get the bugs entered and that will ensure that this gets fixed. Thanks in advance for your help in making the next 4.0 release better.

werpu - May 18, 2005 - 03:15 PM
Post subject: Sure

Create a class in the class diagram, then make a child class, you get the usual parent child relationshop, now mark the class with the mouse, hit del,
voila you have a tangeling connector.
The same works pretty much the same for the 1:n m:n relationship connectors.
There is also no way to delete the tangeling connector from the sidepane.
The same happens in the Use Case Diagram, to my knowlege.
As for the delete thing, I will try to reproduce it by tomorrow.

z979961 - May 18, 2005 - 09:56 PM
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I just installed 4.0M1 and tried it a little bit. It seems that the print function for UML doesn't work well. Everytime I tried it, it freezes myeclipse.

gsmith53 - May 19, 2005 - 06:12 AM
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support-rkalla wrote:

I am testing in 31M6 with 1.5

gsmith53 - May 19, 2005 - 06:25 AM
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The Hibernate code generation from the database table also doesn't seem to be working right. I could be doing it wrong, but it creates tangled inheritance between the AbstractClass and the ConcreteClass.

For instance, I have a table in the db called Address. I use the wizard to generate the java classes and hibernate mapping files. I have a src dir inside of a WEB project. Within the src folder, I have a package structure. I tell the wizaed to create the wrapper classes and point the base persistence class to the package that I want the code to be in, using the Browse button. It then defines the base persistence class as <package>.Address.

What I get generated is AbstractAddress, which extends Address, and contains all the appropriate setters and getters. And I also get an Address class which extends AbstractAddress (note the circ ref). There is one Address.hbm.xml file and it created two entries in the hibernate.hbm.xml file with two mappings to Address. One with the package path, and one without it.

support-rkalla - May 19, 2005 - 03:29 PM
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and point the base persistence class to the package that I want the code to be in

This functionality is intended for you to use an existing class as the base of all generated classes, it isn't meant for you to specify the package IIRC.

support-scott - May 19, 2005 - 03:31 PM
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gsmith53,

Code:

I am testing in 31M6 with 1.5

This configuration is not supported for 4.0M1 and is known to be broken due to API changes in Eclipse. To test 4.0M1 you must be using Eclipse 3.0.2 *only* and JDK 1.4.2_05+ on Windows and JDK 1.5 on Linux. With the configuration you've got above, you'll have nothing but problems.

flanakin - May 19, 2005 - 05:39 PM
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gsmith53,
Just a note, but I did notice an "official" post by one of the moderators that the Eclipse 3.1 M7 release would be supported in MyEclipse 4.0 M2, which should be released in a few weeks. I guess Eclipse finally froze the APIs for the 3.1 release. Hope that helps.

ttrostel - May 20, 2005 - 02:11 PM
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Ok ... up for air from our local cave here

The version 4 M1 build looks pretty spiffy. We did some some quick UML modeling and the only issue is when something is printed the graphics make things a little hard to read on our LaserJet. Nice work there.

When did we think M2 would be comming this way?

Thanks

flanakin - May 20, 2005 - 02:54 PM
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Last I saw was "a few weeks," so I'd guess that it'll be available in the first or second week of June.

ttrostel - May 20, 2005 - 03:25 PM
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well ... hmm ... I've been mucking with the 3.0 Hibernate stuff enough now that if y'all have issues post them here and together we can probably solve them pending the M2 release.

Happy Coding

Tom T

ttrostel - Jun 01, 2005 - 01:59 PM
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Does the new graphical hibernate mapping system take care of one-to-many, many-to-one, many-to-many relationships and does it do so with composite keys. Lastly (not really sure how to do this one by hand yet so it should be interesting) Does it handle polymorphism with descriminators yet?

Thanks :-)

Tom T

flanakin - Jun 01, 2005 - 02:03 PM
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You should probably start a new thread with your separate issues/questions. That'd probably help the ME team sort thru different requests quicker and more efficiently.

support-rkalla - Jun 01, 2005 - 03:44 PM
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Guys quick update:

1) Requests for Hibernate 3 over almost any new feature have been comming in like tidle waves, so we have refocused our efforts for M2 to start to implement and ship our Hibernate 3 support with our tools. Additionally we are pushing the visual editor release out to a later date (I don't think it will make 4, but it will come quickly after at the latest) in order to let us nail down the Hibernate 3 changes THEN move them into the visual editor.

2) Tom, yes IIRC the visual editor is going to help with all the stuff that is a PIA with the current mapper.

bidspec - Jun 02, 2005 - 03:22 PM
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Aaaagghhhh! Please tell me that it is not the release of the JSP visual editor you are referring to? That I have been patiently waiting for for almost a year now? Roadmap update please?

support-rkalla - Jun 02, 2005 - 03:58 PM
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Please tell me that it is not the release of the JSP visual editor you are referring to?

Nope, was talking about the Visual Mapping Editor for Hibernate, we are pushing that back and prioritizing Hibernate 3 support.

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That I have been patiently waiting for for almost a year now?

We appreciate your patience and think it will be well worth the wait. While we aren't trying to compete with dream weaver, the functionality of it (behind the scenes in our editing framework and the editing capabilities) are certainly not far from it and in same cases right on par.

ttrostel - Jun 02, 2005 - 05:29 PM
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So will the regular mapping editor be improved? Just not GUI ... That would be fine ... pretty pictures are a bonus.

support-rkalla - Jun 02, 2005 - 05:44 PM
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I don't know the details of all that is being postponed... the end result is that eventually all of the goodies will be in, so it's not too long to wait.

jdoklovic - Jun 06, 2005 - 05:58 PM
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Any word on M2 ?
Not in a *real* hurry, but would like to use eclipse RC1.

support-rkalla - Jun 06, 2005 - 06:15 PM
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2 weeks-ish, maybe more, depends on how stubborn these bugs are.

ttrostel - Jun 08, 2005 - 01:59 PM
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(uploading a can of RAID)

ttrostel - Jun 08, 2005 - 02:29 PM
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There is a new Spring 1.2.1 with Hibernate 3 specific fixes which I missed on the 28th. I'm not sure if everyone here caught it but they recommend strongly upgrading from 1.2 to 1.2.1 if you can.

Thought I would pass that along.

Cheers

Tom

alexandrupopescu - Jun 08, 2005 - 03:26 PM
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ttrostel wrote:

There is a new Spring 1.2.1 with Hibernate 3 specific fixes which I missed on the 28th. I'm not sure if everyone here caught it but they recommend strongly upgrading from 1.2 to 1.2.1 if you can.

afaik these are fixing runtime issues and not mapping/bean description issues. however I can confirm that H3.0.5 is bringing into scenes some more stuff in their mappings.

:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

jdoklovic - Jun 20, 2005 - 02:54 PM
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just pinging for a M2 update...

support-scott - Jun 20, 2005 - 03:58 PM
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M2 is currently undergoing *hopefully* final internal test and semi-external test by our QA board. It's got lots of fixes and enhancements across the board, including Spring support. However, we *won't* be shipping the visual JSP designer in this milestone as we'd planned because we're working on fixing some performance issues before it goes out. We may do a separate update of that component later, as available.

As far as timing goes, we hope to have it released to the public as early as late tonight or tomorrow at the latest. Please note that those are "tonight" and "tomorrow" at GMT -5; you local "tonight" and "tomorrow" may vary. :-)

awf999 - Jun 21, 2005 - 04:09 PM
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Scott, is there a New and Noteworthy page for M2?

support-scott - Jun 21, 2005 - 04:57 PM
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Andy,

Great question, but no. We're just too busy with the 4.0M2 port for 3.1 to make one, in all honesty. It boils down to:
Added Spring, WebLogic 9
Lots of fixes and enhancements to everything else.

Sorry I don't have more for you.

cmcbrien - Jun 21, 2005 - 06:30 PM
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Just wondering when the Eclipse 3.1 support for 4.0Mx will be available. We're unable to run Eclipse 3.0.x here because the buttons and dialogs are all screwed up under Linux.

support-scott - Jun 21, 2005 - 06:36 PM
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We're working on 4.0M2 for Eclipse 3.1 right now and expect to have a release available within the next week or so, around the time Eclipse 3.1 goes final.

support-greg - Jun 21, 2005 - 06:44 PM
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cmcbrien,

You might try the workaround posted to the following thread. A user posted back the GTK configuration needed to fix the "crushed" button problem.

http://www.myeclipseide.com/PNphpBB2+file-viewtopic-t-6652.html

You can use this until we officially support the 3.1 release.

alexandrupopescu - Jun 22, 2005 - 07:19 AM
Post subject: 4.0M2 out but still no 3.1 support

Another month waiting, and finally the surprize that 3.1 is still not supported. I know, I will wait for the M3 that will come out soon (to be read: in 1 1/2 month) and than probably I will have another suprise.
I am not sure why I am so sad: cause I was told 3.1 will be supported and never updated to the truth that this is not happening, or because the initial estimation went longer, again without announcing that 3.1 is still not supported.

Sorry for my tone, but this is what is happening after 1+ month of waiting and finally a sad surprise,
respectfully,
:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

werpu - Jun 22, 2005 - 12:46 PM
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Yes, unfortunately, I have been waiting for this milestone also to put it into production use on my side (I have been on 3.1 for a while now), well I can wait one more week.
Probably everythin will come out during next week (javaone) anyway. Final Eclipse... and a handful of plugins which ofiicially are not going the 3.1 route until the final is here.

support-rkalla - Jun 22, 2005 - 02:02 PM
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Quote:

I am not sure why I am so sad: cause I was told 3.1 will be supported and never updated to the truth that this is not happening, or because the initial estimation went longer, again without announcing that 3.1 is still not supported.

Alex I think you are either misinformed or you mean something else by "3.1 support". We have shipped M4, M6, M7 compatiable builds for 3.1 for months now, and we are also are preparing 4.0 Milestone 2 to be released on 3.1 as well next week (a week after our 3.0.2 builds came out). We have supported 3.1 since Milestone 4, additionally Eclipse 3.1 will become our primary platform after it goes final.

dserodio - Jun 22, 2005 - 03:58 PM
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I don't understand, do you care to clarify it you plan to release a 4.0M2 for Eclipse 3.1RC3 or not?
Thanks.

support-scott - Jun 22, 2005 - 05:08 PM
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Yes, we are planning a release of 4.0M2 for RC3 / 3.1 final at the end of June.

ivar - Jun 22, 2005 - 06:47 PM
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dserodio wrote:

I don't understand, do you care to clarify it you plan to release a 4.0M2 for Eclipse 3.1RC3 or not?

there will be no API changes between RC3 and any subsequent releases, so when 4.0M2 is released for 3.1, I'm sure it will work with RC3 (but you probably will want to move to the 3.1 final anyway..)

werpu - Jun 22, 2005 - 11:15 PM
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Just a minor sidequestion, what are the current roadmap plans (since the roadmap on the side does not really resemble the status quo anymore) regarding visual jsf designers, I guess this wont make it until Q4, am I right?

obrien - Jun 23, 2005 - 01:29 PM
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Do you plan to support jdk15 in 4.0M2?

support-rkalla - Jun 23, 2005 - 01:34 PM
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obrien,
When you say support, in what capacity do you mean that? In the Java editor? JSP editor?

obrien - Jun 23, 2005 - 01:40 PM
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just Java editor, of course.

support-scott - Jun 23, 2005 - 04:16 PM
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1.5 support for the Java editor is really provided by Eclipse 3.1 itself. We'll be shipping a 3.1-compatible build of MyEclipse by the end of the month, right around the time that 3.1 goes final.

support-eugene - Jun 24, 2005 - 10:57 AM
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werpu wrote:

Visual JSF pages designer is not planned for 4.0. Visual JSF config editor (that allows editing the navigation rules) is already in place.

gsmith53 - Jun 28, 2005 - 08:17 PM
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So, are we going to see a new M4 now that 3.1 is released?

support-rkalla - Jun 28, 2005 - 09:10 PM
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Quote:

So, are we going to see a new M4 now that 3.1 is released?

If M3 runs without hickups we might start the round of RCs, but this is subject to change if we find some breaks.

sirfergy - Jun 29, 2005 - 05:14 PM
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Is there a torrent for the 4.0 M2 build for 3.1? I'm getting 12kb/s and would love to use it while at work today. :)

support-rkalla - Jun 29, 2005 - 05:19 PM
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No not yet, but I'm going to pitch that idea right now. These downloads are getting out of control =)

sirfergy - Jun 29, 2005 - 07:09 PM
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I'm no longer able to download and my download I did have going has now died. I hope you get bittorrent up soon. :)

support-rkalla - Jun 29, 2005 - 07:23 PM
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Working on this now, the servers are not happy with the popularity of this release :)

support-scott - Jun 29, 2005 - 10:33 PM
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Sorry guys, we've been streaming at capacity since the release. Obviously, we need to update our server configurations in order to handle the additional traffic. We'll put in a dedicated, high-capcity download server for the next release.

Nac - Jul 01, 2005 - 01:54 AM
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Have you guys considered a Torrent?

lowhm - Jul 01, 2005 - 09:57 AM
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Hi,

Thanks for the new V4 M2 build for 3.1.

Since now that the M2 is released, I'm just curious to know that how long will it usually takes for us to come to a GA release?

Cheers for the M2 build.

Han Ming

vict0r - Jul 01, 2005 - 01:25 PM
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support-scott wrote:

Obviously, we need to update our server configurations in order to handle the additional traffic. We'll put in a dedicated, high-capcity download server for the next release.

Yep, you really should do this, or seriously think about BitTorrent. I had ~ 6-7 broken downloads, all in the range 35-65 MB. Now imagine I'm not the only one, how much bandwidth was wasted?

PS
In the end I used "wget", which also had ~4 connection breakdowns, but this tool is able to continue broken downloads after reconnecting.

PPS
Another suggestion: connection limit paired with a download queue, sort of "your download starts in approx 15 minutes".

alexandrupopescu - Jul 29, 2005 - 09:01 AM
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Probably not a very liked question, but I was wondering when any advance in 4.0 will be announced? (the last 2 weeks where reported on those graphics as 70%, respectively 40%).

:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

jmilleria - Jul 29, 2005 - 02:38 PM
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When I go to the 4.0 M2 download area there is nothing there. Am i missing something or did you pull it.

support-scott - Jul 29, 2005 - 03:27 PM
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It's certainly there. You should be looking in the releases for Eclipse 3.1 area on the downloads page.

alexandrupopescu - Jul 29, 2005 - 08:15 PM
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I would like to ask also why for some users it appears "Registered Member" and for others not? (i have a MyEclipse valid license, isn't this enough?)

tia,
:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

alexandrupopescu - Jul 29, 2005 - 08:16 PM
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Ohh, and thanks scott for updating the bars ;-). i will come back regulary just to trigger some more updates :-).

:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

support-rkalla - Jul 29, 2005 - 08:21 PM
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Alex,
We need to trigger a script to update the user states and likely our web team just forgot to. I'll drop them a reminder, thx.

alexandrupopescu - Jul 31, 2005 - 12:06 PM
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I _thank_ you. I thought I havent correctly provided the information.

alexandrupopescu - Aug 04, 2005 - 12:53 AM
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Even if i am aware of the fact that you will start hating me, I want to keep my promise: I came back to trigger an update of the graphics on the home page about the evolution of 4.0 series.
Sorry for this bugging :-),
:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

support-rkalla - Aug 04, 2005 - 01:13 AM
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Imagine M3 said "90%", then wait until we release it next week to come back :)

alexandrupopescu - Aug 04, 2005 - 08:13 AM
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Thanks. I am coming to bug only on weekly basis. Unfortunately next week I will be completely offline so I will probably miss the release. Good luck with it!

:alex |.::the_mindstorm::.|

BooVeMan - Aug 05, 2005 - 05:23 AM
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Stupid me...
Should have read this forum not WHILE downloading M2 but BEFORE doing so - So I'm going to trash that 100Megs now it finally finished downloading - and get another 100Megs downloaded next week.
BTW any news on torrents? (For the M3)

BooVeMan

support-rkalla - Aug 05, 2005 - 05:31 AM
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We likely won't be doing torrents soon, instead we quadrupled our download capacity and offloaded downloads onto another set of servers so it's independent of the main site, so no more "omg h4x, downloads killed the site!" business.

ttrostel - Aug 08, 2005 - 02:57 PM
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There is 4.0 GA announcement on the main page dated 8/29/2005. As much as we would love to see a new release of MyEclipse come out and be here soon thats a hard date and its a month away. Perhaps this was not the right place or format to release this information. The main page does not include enough information on if this is a drop dead date or otherwise.

You have an excelent product which each of us finds a valuable addition to our programming day. Please don't fall into the vapor-ware trap which the marketing forces often press on us.

Just concerned being a fellow programmer ;-)

support-rkalla - Aug 08, 2005 - 03:38 PM
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Just concerned being a fellow programmer ;-)

Don't be concerned, be supportive. More cheering, yells and clapping!

For the last 3 days straight (starting Saturday) the team has been doing it's review-testing-pass of the release, we are trying to pinpoint the last set of showstopped, so Aug 29th is dooable at this point.

Quote:

Please don't fall into the vapor-ware trap which the marketing forces often press on us.

No worries, we are all one big team here working towards a greater good.

rockyjain - Aug 09, 2005 - 07:53 PM
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support-rkalla wrote:

More cheering, yells and clapping!

WOOT! WOOT! OH YEAH!!! C'MON!!! 8)

support-scott - Aug 09, 2005 - 09:10 PM
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As an update, 4.0M3 (the last planned milestone before GA on the 29th) is in final build and QA right now. It should be public no later than 8/15 and possibly before.

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The main page does not include enough information on if this is a drop dead date or otherwise.

The 8/29 date is a "drop dead" date for 4.0 GA. We'll hit it.

lastminute.com - Aug 15, 2005 - 11:55 AM
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Thanks for making 4M3 available. Where can we find release notes please? Thanks.

support-scott - Aug 15, 2005 - 01:50 PM
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The release notes were too voluminous to write since it's had hundreds of fixes and enhancments just since 4.0M2, but there is an updated New & Noteworth section here:
http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-66.html

rockyjain - Aug 24, 2005 - 02:08 PM
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So... we've been dangling at 85% completion for 4.0 FINAL for a while.... any updates?

support-rkalla - Aug 24, 2005 - 02:42 PM
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Aug 29th, we are on target. So far so good.

rockyjain - Aug 24, 2005 - 02:44 PM
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yay for me!

ttrostel - Aug 25, 2005 - 06:00 PM
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Hopefuly all your unit tests are passing today. Good luck guys!!

support-rkalla - Aug 25, 2005 - 06:28 PM
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444 bugs/features resolved against 4.0, testing out fourth *internal* build of 4.0 GA with more to come, getting closer!