the UML for release 4 will that be supported on the OS X version ?

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the UML for release 4 will that be supported on the OS X version ?

In the first milestone, no it won't because we're depending on some AWT/SWT integration for our implementation and there are Eclipse bugs (mainly https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=67384) that prevent this integration from working on the Mac. However, the bug is quite active and getting lots of feedback that the community wants it closed, but right now it remains unresolved.

I really hope that bug is fixed. I plan on moving over to OSX at the end of this year, and I planned on using the UML tool!

I know the feeling. I like OSX a lot too. Unfortunately, from the comments in that bug thread it looks like it will take a combined effort from both Apple and the SWT team to really resolve it completely.

Is there a similiar reason for the JSP Visual Designer not working on OSX?

http://myeclipseide.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6737&highlight= (I'm still waiting for a response to the last question in that thread.)

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Is there a similiar reason for the JSP Visual Designer not working on OSX?

Actually no, it's a different reason. In order to get the designer built as quickly as possible with a very high degree of functionality we chose to use some of the native capabilities available on the Windows platform. That allows us to "get our feet wet" with techniques involved in building graphical WYSIWYG editors for complex languages and deliver in a reasonable timeframe. There was simply no cross-platform base we could've built on (yes, we looked at Mozilla) that gave us as great a head start. Please don't read that to imply we won't be doing a crossplatform version, only that we didn't for the first release. As always, user demand sets our priorities.

I wanted to follow up and let you know that internal test has concluded on all the feature sets that will be in 4.0M1, except for UML. There are still a couple of nagging bugs there we need to close out, but we anticipate having those done by some time tomorrow. At that point we should be able to push a build to our external QA board and then follow up with a public 4.0M1 preview at the end of the week, provided no "show stoppers" are found. I'll post another update when we begin to push the build for the QA Board as that will be a significant gate to clear.

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Please don't read that to imply we won't be doing a crossplatform version, only that we didn't for the first release. As always, user demand sets our priorities.

In this case I would like to express my demand for full OSX support. At least in the final released version.

Hello,

Do you use AWT for drawing on the screen? Otherwise, you can run AWT headless on MacOS X on Tiger (10.4), if this is an option.

Regards,

Cyrill

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In this case I would like to express my demand for full OSX support. At least in the final released version.

Demand duly noted, but I can promise that OSX support for the JSP designer will not make it into 4.0 final due to the work involved. I almost hate to mention it, but last I checked Virtual PC for the Mac is only about $100 and for those of you that already have it to run other things, using the Windows version of 4.0 on Virtual PC *should* work fine, although I must admit we have not tested that configuration.

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Do you use AWT for drawing on the screen? Otherwise, you can run AWT headless on MacOS X on Tiger (10.4), if this is an option.

Cyrill, thanks for mentioning the headless option. We use that for some things like our Struts / JSF visual designer so those work on the Mac. However, the UML tools use a combination of SWT/AWT to draw on the screen, so until the Eclipse bug I mentioned earlier is fixed, UML won't be able to work on the Mac in its current implementation.

I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but how exactly does the MyEclipse UML effort relates to the UML project at Eclipse.org? (http://www.eclipse.org/uml2/). Does it compete with it, builds on it, or something else entirely?

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Does it compete with it, builds on it, or something else entirely?

Right now, it's option C - something else entirely. We're watching the UML2 project as well as the new GMT project that Borland has proposed to lead so at some point it might be possible to use one or more Eclipse projects to get reasonable UML modeling capabilities. However, that time isn't today. :-) We'll keep an eye on the developments at the foundation (we have a VP that is on the Eclipse Foundation board of directors) so we can be sure you'll always get the very best product available from MyEclipse.

OK, one more update. We just got an email that the internal build process for what will become the external QA board build of ME4.0M1 has just started. It will take several hours, but it's definately cleared development and internal QA at this point.

Will the bugs/troubles with OS X also plagate Linux? I've been expecting 4.0 like mad and if some of the features will not be in 4.0 for linux I think I'll go aside and shoot myself.