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I think I'll go aside and shoot myself.

lol, that's a pretty steep ultamatim...

"ANNOUNCEMENT: Genuitec pushes MyEclipse 4.0 release out 3 months so users don't shoot themselves."

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Will the bugs/troubles with OS X also plagate Linux?

Yes and no. UML will work fine on Linux, but only with the 1.5 JDK / Eclipse 3.0.2 combination I mentioned earlier in the thread. Visual JSP designer (which won't be in M1, but will be in M2) will be Windows-only for 4.0. And again, the reason for that is that just building such a thing is basically a *hard* problem. Doing it cross platform just makes it 10x harder, so we're gaining experience building it for Windows and then we can prioritize something for the other platforms based on demand in later releases.

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I've been expecting 4.0 like mad and if some of the features will not be in 4.0 for linux I think I'll go aside and shoot myself.

Now hold on; our visual HTML designer in 3.8.4 is Windows-only as well, so we really haven't reduced the Linux feature set any further below the windows-only one, because the JSP designer is really a big enhancement to the existing html designer. So, I think shooting yourself is completely uncalled for. ;-)

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... then we can prioritize something for the other platforms based on demand in later releases.

How is priority decided? Is it by number of downloads per platform?

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Doing it cross platform just makes it 10x harder

I thought Java solved that problem.

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Visual JSP designer (which won't be in M1, but will be in M2) will be Windows-only for 4.0.

Does it mean it won't work on Linux in final release too?

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UML will work fine on Linux, but only with the 1.5 JDK / Eclipse 3.0.2 combination...

That's better news.

ganesh wrote:

Quote: UML will work fine on Linux, but only with the 1.5 JDK / Eclipse 3.0.2 combination... That's better news.

Have you guys checked to see if the "just released" 1.5 JDK for OSX solves the problem?

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Have you guys checked to see if the "just released" 1.5 JDK for OSX solves the problem?

Actually, no we haven't, but it appears the SWT/AWT problems on the Mac are deeply thread/implementation related based on the comments in the Eclipse bug report I mentioned earlier in the thread.

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How is priority decided? Is it by number of downloads per platform?

Partially, and by feedback from our customers in the Features forum or by large customers in email etc.

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Quote: Doing it cross platform just makes it 10x harder I thought Java solved that problem.

Only if you want to build the entire thing from first principles rather than leveraging the huge set of available APIs that are platform-specific. We chose the latter because the former makes it 10x harder.

1 Vote for Visual JSP/JSF Designer on Linux!
I understand it's a matter of "do it first on Windows, then figure out the others" but I want to do all I can to push the designer on Linux... it's one of the reasons MyEclipseIDE won out over NetBeans, but you've got some serious competition in this area from Exadel... I just like your "community interaction" better than theirs... :) that and supporting 1.5 & Eclipse 3.1M6 which is also a factor...

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I almost hate to mention it, but last I checked Virtual PC for the Mac is only about $100 and for those of you that already have it to run other things, using the Windows version of 4.0 on Virtual PC *should* work fine, although I must admit we have not tested that configuration.

Running an emulation language like java inside an emulated OS won't be fun. I have virtualPC only for small things up and running. For bigger stuff I have to switch the screen to the second PC running bad old windows. Any hopes for a 4.1 fully supporting OSX? I always believed java solved the platform trouble, but since SWT was introduced I think someone made a very bad design "enhancement" (just a bit OT, sorry).

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1 Vote for Visual JSP/JSF Designer on Linux!

We hear you! However, I'm not actually the guy that "makes the call". Once the 4.0 milestone is public, you might start a thread in the Feature Requests forum to rally support for the idea. The management here reads that forum much more than any other.

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Running an emulation language like java inside an emulated OS won't be fun.

Yeah, that's why I said I was afraid to suggest it. :-}

Here's the latest update for the interested: the 4.0 M1 build just hit the server for the QA Board. It's not available publicly yet, but hopefully will be within a day or two, provided they don't break it badly. :-)

I'm an OSX user as well. Would love to be able to run Eclipse on that platform without the GUI workarounds.

/jaf

My main development platform is Linux, so 1 vote for the JSF designer in Linux. I also use Mac OS X, so one extra vote there too. ;)

(or was it the case that only the visual JSP designer is restricted to Windows and not the JSF one?)

I'm working on a number of projects committed to using Java5, and thus eclipse 3.1 (M6 currently). Can you give an estimate when there'll be a MyEclipse 4 cut for Eclipse 3.1?
Thanks

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(or was it the case that only the visual JSP designer is restricted to Windows and not the JSF one?)

The visual JSP designer will allow the visual editing of JSP's and is aware of struts and JSF tags and will be windows only. However, the JSF tooling also includes a flow designer, like the one we have for struts already (but better), and will be avaialable on all platforms.

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Can you give an estimate when there'll be a MyEclipse 4 cut for Eclipse 3.1?

We've already got a 3.8.4 build for M6 and intend to refresh it for M7 a couple days after M7's release. Currently, we haven't put a timeline on 4.0 support for 3.1, other than it will definately be supported in the final build. We haven't planned a 4.0M1 for 3.1 but will likely do at least one milestone on a 3.1 milestone before 4.0 final, which will be available on 3.0 and 3.1.

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I'm working on a number of projects committed to using Java5, and thus eclipse 3.1 (M6 currently). Can you give an estimate when there'll be a MyEclipse 4 cut for Eclipse 3.1? Thanks

Well I'm using Java 5 too. It would be great to have the MyEclipse Road Map updated to reflect when 4.0 will be available, when it will be GA, when it will be available on Java 5/Eclipse 3.1, when it will include new features such as EJB 3 support and so on.

Don't want to urge you developing faster. Any developer knows how it is. Just would love to have a clearer view of what and when. Just to plan our migration process.