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Post subject: What is Eclipse WTP, competing to Myeclipse?  PostPosted: Jan 28, 2005 - 10:50 PM
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Hi,

Nowaday, newer things keep coming out everyday, What is Eclipse WTP ? --- some explanation on eclipse site like:

The Eclipse Web Tools Platform Project - The mission of the Web Tools Platform Project is to build a generic, extensible and standards-based tool platform upon which software providers can create specialized, differentiated offerings for J2EE and Web-centric application development. Key objectives are to combine product innovation with adherence to vendor-neutral standards and technologies, while delivering practical solutions to real development concerns. This project builds on the Eclipse Project, and other core Eclipse technologies, to provide a common foundation of frameworks and services for tooling products. One of the project goals is to deliver tooling products both for exemplary purposes and to validate the underlying foundation.

Is it competing :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: to MyEclipse? --- Actually, I love MyEclipse, but I need more functions like Web Services Wizard and other ...

Could someone please give me a direction?

Thanks a lot!!!!!!!

Paul
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jan 29, 2005 - 05:07 PM
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Paul,

We have been asked this question a number of times since the inception of the WTP project. Our response is simple. WTP is one of many sources for features MyEclipse will continue to integrate into the Enterprise Workbench in our continued effort to provide the most comprehensive J2EE IDE on the market. We don't view WTP as a competitor to MyEclipse. Rather, we have been involved in the project since its inception and continue to contribute design recommendations and bug fixes. After all, what is best for WTP is best for MyEclipse users.

As for drawing a clearer distinction between MyEclipse and WTP:

1. The intent of the WTP was never to provide a viable commercial quality solution for J2EE developers. Rather, "to build a generic, extensible and standards-based tool platform upon which software providers can create specialized, differentiated offerings for J2EE and Web-centric application development". That is where MyEclipse come in. Today, MyEclipse bridges a much needed gap for J2EE developers, and provides much of the foundations planned for the WTP project. That is a great deal of work we would rather the Eclipse platform continues to offer, and allow MyEclipse to provide high productivity visual tools, advanced features and wizards to simplify and streamline development.

2. The charter and scope for the WTP project is limited to the J2EE specifications. Such charter contains WTP at the foundation, plumbing and standards level, "to provide a common foundation of frameworks and services for tooling products". MyEclipse already uses the Webtools framework and foundations. We also add considerable number of features that are completely outside the WTP scope. It is these capabilities that draws nearly 90,000 members from 130 countries to MyEclipse. We will continue adding scope and features indefinitely.

3. When using and buying software, companies value predictability and support. MyEclipse has averaged 6-8 weeks between releases since its inception. We also offer what many of our customers consider the best support in industry. Both trends will continue to be the standards for MyEclipse.

4. MyEclipse is "Almost Free" at $30 and already rivals many of the Tier I IDEs at $1000-3000 per user. The first Integrated Development Environment (IDE) roundup for 2005 scored the combination of Eclipse and MyEclipse significantly higher than Borland JBuilder 2005, IBM WebSphere Studio Application Developer 5.1.2 (WSAD), Netbeans 4.0, Eclipse 3.0.1 and MyEclipse, and Sunís Studio Creator 4.26. This roundup didn't include the WTP.

As for adding features such as webservices and wizards, MyEclipse is a customer driven project. Our latest feature survey prioritized development effort for the next two releases. The next release will provide the following major features:

1. Visual JSP Designer
2. UML Modeling
3. Spring Support with Hibernate integration
4. Visual Hibernate mapping

The following release will include:
1. JSF Flow Editor
2. Visual JSF designer
3. Integarted Web Services

Best Regards
Maher Masri
President, Genuitec LLC
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Feb 01, 2005 - 04:41 PM
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I appreciate your professional and devoted attitude and response. Thank you very much!
 
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Post subject:   PostPosted: Jun 03, 2005 - 07:19 AM
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We are intimately aware of WTP as we wrote the requirements for the WTP flexible project features and are on the architecture committee. The general consensus is that WTP is not ready for primetime, e.g., the recent change from 1.0 July to 0.7 target as it will just not be ready for 1.0 status. I can assure that when WTP is even close to production-ready you'll see its integration with MyEclipse. One of the major benefits of subscribing with ME is that we do the research for those that don't have the time or expertise to evaluate every new plugin or feature in this fast moving space.

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Post subject:   PostPosted: Aug 22, 2006 - 04:35 PM
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As a follow-up to Michael's post, MyEclipse 5.0 is built on Eclipse 3.2, WTP 1.5, and several other Eclipse projects and is fully compatible with the June 2006 Eclipse 3.2 "Callisto" release.

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